'Zuma is implicated in Gordhan vs Hawks case', says Daily Maverick editor

Minister of Finance, Pravin Gordhan, has been at loggerheads with the Hawks for contravening the country’s intelligence laws.

On Sunday, the Sunday Times reported that the Hawks want Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan prosecuted for “espionage” in relation to the unit’s activities while he headed up the South African Revenue Services.

However, the Presidency has issued a statement saying the story is the work of "dangerous information peddlers".

Afternoon Drive's Xolani Gwala spoke to Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, at the Daily Maverick, about the story, and where all of these allegations may be coming from.

Some former and current officials in the state, attended a meeting in 2001, which was held in the Intelligence Academy in Mafikeng. It was a training course for all the intelligence heads. President Jacob Zuma at the time was the deputy president. He's the one who addressed this meeting and spoke to all the intelligence heads. And it was there that he discussed a more streamlining of intelligence operations and that there should be better cooperation between the various Intelligence agencies.

Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, Daily Maverick

It was here that President Jacob Zuma encouraged all these agencies to work together to deal with these organised crimes.

Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, Daily Maverick

If Pravin Gordhan is to be charged, then a person who came up with the idea is also implicated.

Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, Daily Maverick

There's two ways he can be drawn into it. One, as a co-accused, because if they're saying this unit was established illegally, if SARS was not supposed to have this unit, then all people who wanted the unit to be established are also implicated.

Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, Daily Maverick

But if Shaun Abrahams decides not to charge President Zuma, and they're saying all of them and President Zuma will then have to be witnesses for the defense. Because they would then be able to testify why this unit was necessary to deal with organised crime.

Ranjeni Munusamy, Associate Editor, Daily Maverick

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