Stephen Grootes, standing in for Eusebius McKiaser, takes a look at the current crisis in South Africa.
Taking a step back from all the personalities and chaos involved in the political landscape, the conversation focuses on a higher level analysis as he talks to Profesor Vishwas Satgar about what the activist and academic calls the crisis of democracy and the challenges for democratic renewal.
He asks the question, what is the role of civil society in this context?
Grootes says if one removes all the names and parties what we end up with is a country with no mandate.
So no one group of people is actually in charge.— Stephen Grootes, host
That means there is political space for us to start thinking about what we want to do, adds Grootes.
Vishwas Satgar is associate professor in the Wits International Relations Department and a social activist.
Democracy all over the world has never been finished. It is always an open project.— Professor Vishwas Satgar, Wits International Relations Department and social activist
Satgar explains the system of 'market democracies' prevalent the world over that he says have brought with them a fundamental problem or paradox.
It is about the needs of the market, and those that sit in that space like corporation and global multi national institutions, versus citizens.,— Professor Vishwas Satgar, Wits International Relations Department and social activist
He says increasingly political scientists are saying that the needs of citizens - the vote, the mandate - that come out of electoral processes, are producing choiceless democracies.
They are producing corporate captured democracies, and you have that dynamic playing itself out in South Africa.— Professor Vishwas Satgar, Wits International Relations Department and social activist
He says the stick is bent too far in business' favour and economic policies tend to favour it.
Creative solutions need to be sort about how to distribute income in the modern age, and one of the ideas in the world is a basic income grant, he says.
Take a listen to more details on these solutions for South Africa and the world moving into the future: