Understanding how Gigaba was instrumental in collapsing state departments

In a gripping discussion about the rise and impending fall of Malusi Gigaba, Eusebius McKaiser speaks to Karima Brown, political analyst, and host of The Karima Brown Show, along with Sikonathi Mantshantsha, Deputy editor of the Financial Mail.

The discussion comes while Gigaba gives evidence to the Eskom Enquiry on Tuesday for his tenure as public enterprise minister between 2009 and 2014.

Brown says one needs to understand how the state capture project works to understand why it is that you have officials or anyone attached to the ministers or their departments, prepared to defend to the bitter end the actions of their ministers.

If you look at what the Guptas did, lets go straight to the Presidency, for example, it has emerged from the emails, that the President's trusted advisor Lakele Kaunda, who was insured by the Guptas, and admitted to being involved with Tony Gupta in relation to her company - and received a salary.

Karima Brown, political analyst and host of The Karima Brown Show

They had a detailed approach and made sure that the people that they corrupted were in it with them.

Karima Brown, political analyst and host of The Karima Brown Show

She said it is unsurprising that someone like director-general of Home Affairs Mkuseli Apleni would go to such extremes to defend a principle (Malusi Gigaba) whom a court of law has described as a liar.

Mantshantsha said when Malusi Gigaba took over from Barbara Hogen as public enterprise minister, the first thing he did was to authorise Eskom to go ahead with the New Age breakfast, a newspaper at the time owned by the Guptas.

That is exactly what launched that newspaper, it was the money from Eskom, it was the money from Transnet and the money from SAA, and these were under the control of the public enterprise department.

Sikonathi Mantshantsha, Deputy Editor, Financial Mail

The Guptas had these entities paying subscription fees and advertising fees before the first edition of that paper hit the street.

Sikonathi Mantshantsha, Deputy Editor, Financial Mail

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