Former president Jacob Zuma has again denied that the South African state was ever captured‚ saying the term is a “politically decorated expression”.
The former president was addressing students at the Walter Sisulu University of Technology in Mthatha on Wednesday.
He said the term was used by people who wanted to achieve certain political outcomes, that the state was composed of three elements - the legislature‚ the judiciary and the executive - and that none of them were captured.
Karima Brown spoke to Prof Ivor Chipkin, Co - Author of the Shadow State: The Politics of State Capture, to get his take on Zuma's comments.
When we made this argument, which is proven to be absolutely correct, that what was happening under the Zuma administration wasn't simply looting or criminality, that it was underpinned by a concept of changing the economy and a certain concept of democracy, we drew a huge amount of anger.— Prof Ivor Chipkin, Co - Author of the Shadow State: The Politics of State Capture
I think increasingly we are beginning to understand that there really was a political project and I think the clips you have played are extraordinary.— Prof Ivor Chipkin, Co - Author of the Shadow State: The Politics of State Capture
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