Show host Eusebius McKaiser says everyone seems to be applauding one African National Congress (ANC) veteran after another appearing before the Zondo Commission of Inquiry.
He says the more these people are speaking at the Zondo Commission, the more they are placing former president Jacob Zuma closer to the illegality of the last decade or so.
And that is critically important in terms of more pieces of the puzzle coming together in terms of the years of state capture and in particular what your former president of Nkandla did to this country to subvert democracy.— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
He says one has to question whether former president Jacob Zuma is the only person that is politically and morally culpable.
So we can't act as if every single ANC senior member currently in government or formally in government who appears before the Zondo Commision is innocent.— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
We also need to ask the question of whether the ANC institutionally and organisationally is innocent in this story. So there is this attempt to reduce the State Capture Commission of Inquiry to specifically the Guptas and also president Zuma.— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
Now it goes without saying the Guptas and Zuma are bad people— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
He says we have to ask some tough questions about what are the implications of these men and women belatedly being honest about what they always suspected or always knew for so many years.
Here is my contention - that in fact even though it is awesome that someone like Ramatlhodi is telling us what his experiences were, that nevertheless, we shouldn't give people a pat on the back.— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
Because the question needs to be asked - what was the genesis of this thing at an organisational level?— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
What was it that enabled state capture to happen under the watch of these men and women who are supposedly morally upstanding, intellectually brilliant and ethically minded?— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
If they were these three things, how is it that under their noses this could have happened?— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
Should we be thinking about these ANC members as heroes appearing before the Zondo Commission, he asks?
Or do you agree with me that while it is good for us to ask tough questions about former president Jacob Zuma, the ANC must accept that it is on trial.— Eusebius McKaiser, Show Host
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