Host Eusebius McKaiser reflects on the former chief operating officer at Bosasa, Angelo Agrizz's testimony at the Zondo Commission of Inquiry into State Capture.
There are a couple of things I want to underscore and a couple of things that jump out for me that happened at the inquiry. Some of this is trite but worth underscoring deeply.— Eusebius McKaiser, presenter
The first is, yes the ANC is on trial, I agree with Bongani Bingwa, and the ANC must stop pretending that it is not on trial. But I actually think that this week has been more horrific than that lesson in terms of the Zondo Commission.— Eusebius McKaiser, presenter
In a country where you have one party dominance in your democracy, the governing party of the day is coextensive with the state. But in reality the state is not a party, the state is something completely different, it exists over time regardless of who comes and goes in terms of the party of the day that is in government.— Eusebius McKaiser, presenter
McKaiser believes that the state is so 'rotten' that even though the ANC and the Gupta's are being analysed, South Africans need to come to grips with the implications of the entire state as an edifice being put on trial.
The other important aspect is that this week was not about the Gupta's. So corruption that is endemic within the state and the ANC doesn't begin and end with the Gupta family. You have private interests here that have been in cahoots with people that are corruptable within other private companies and not just the state. That tells you that in terms of the machinations of corrupt behaviour, and the networks of corruption, that you have many centres of corruption and not just the state.— Eusebius McKaiser, presenter
McKaiser says we are living a worse nightmare than we thought.
Our nightmare was not only Jacob Zuma, but our nightmare also wasn't the Gupta family, our nightmare is the reality of how entrenched culturally corruption really is within our society.— Eusebius McKaiser, presenter
Watch below as McKaiser shares his views on the Zondo Commission:
Listen below to the McKaiser's thoughts and the open line: