Former Independent Police Investigative Directorate (Ipid) head Robert McBride took the stand at the Zondo Commission of Inquiry into State Capture on Thursday.
McBride was initially scheduled to make his submission in February but it was postponed until Tuesday, and then moved to Thursday to allow the commission's legal team to send letters to implicated parties.
EWN reporter Barry Bateman, who is following the commission, speaks to Ray White on The Xolani Gwala Show.
He says a potential conflict of interest arose at the commission when McBride said that Advocate Mxolisi Zondo, brother of commission head Judge Raymond Zondo, presided over a disciplinary hearing involving an Ipid official.
Robert McBride made allegations against Zondo of impropriety and misconduct, Judge Zondo and Advocate Paul Pretorius debated this matter with Pretorius, citing that the information was not very significant to the bigger picture.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
Zondo, however, says let him hear the evidence, and he will then consider a way forward.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
Bateman reports that McBride started his testimony by giving the commission a brief summary of the type of evidence he will give.
The focus so far has been on Ipid's interactions with crime intelligence and the problems Ipid encountered during their investigations.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
He says while Ipid has the legal mandate to investigate crime intelligence, they were met with frustrations or by management who tried to frustrate investigations at every step.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
He adds that McBride also went into what a big project was about and the capture of the criminal justice system.
He said within their own circles there were other people affected such as Ivan Pillay and Shadrack Sibiya, they referred to this as a silent coup.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
The motive for this was to undermine anti-corruption bodies within the government to hide previous crimes, cover up current crimes and ensure that future crimes were never investigated.— Barry Bateman, Reporter - EWN
Listen below to the full interview: